Cloning logic groups

Hi @ecastanedapl . Welcome to the community. :) Are you looking to basically clone certain groups of questions that all have the same logic? Or if you don’t mind sharing the workflow you’re thinking with a video or screenshot, that will help me answer this better for you. Thanks in advance!

Hi Liz!

Thank you for answer...

I’m trying to make header questions (answered once) and multiple other questions grouped.

Make sense?

Hi @ecastanedapl Got it - thanks! This screenshot helped. 

When you clone a question group that has logic jumps tied to it, it will also clone the logic jumps. Though, I can see that this makes it a little confusing, so I’ll share this with our developers as a feature request. The only way to prevent this from happening would be to clone a set of questions without logic jumps. 

If you think of any other questions or requests, feel free to ping me here! :) 

@Liz @ecastanedapl 

i learned this the hard way in the classic builder  - i created the first question group, added the logic then copied the question group to about 6 other q-groups, hoping that the logic would persist but will to have to make the minor edits to the question structure. not so much fun having to kill all the logic and rebuild it. 

Now, in the new builder, i create the first set of questions then get it into the question group - no logic. Clone the question groups then input the logic for everything all at once, since i have figured out on a flow diagram how i want the bits to go. much faster to do that. My suggestion is to create the first group then clone and update any entries in the q-groups, and then do logic all at once. 

@Liz - one thing that would make this easier in terms of adding in some of the behind the scenes logic: I have a typeform where i wanted to use the “opinion scale” type:

• wanted only 4 choices 1-4 but there is a minimum of 5
• i actually wanted to have the the scale go -2,-1,1,2 but would not go below 0 - i wanted the score to be in the negative if there were issues facing the respondent and positive if they had things under control
• wanted to have the numeric values of the opinion scale choice to add to the score variable 
• wanted to use the labels “strongly disagree, disagree, agree, strongly agree” to correspond to the 4 number values but only allowed to put left centre and right values 
• had to choose a drop down to have them select the “strongly disagree, disagree, agree, strongly agree” and then add logic to the question to assess what response was given and then add the number score value for that choice to the score - meant that for each question there were four logic statements to create instead of one that said add the value from the opinion scale choice to the score for the question group. NOTE: this one reality is the only reason i would have considered cloning the logic with the questions - updating the logic with ‘3a’ being the replacement value for ‘1a’ logic statement was faster than building each rule anew.
• also variable value like score cannot go below 0 - i tried to subtract 2 from grp1score variable (when it was zero) and nope it would not work, could not add -2 to the variable as negative numbers not allowed. 

Cloning q’s and logic helped reduce the time on this but only due to the q-type i used - if there is an option that i am missing here, @Liz , please let me know. having to add in the convoluted ‘scoring’ logic AND having to use positive numbers made extra work: i have a whole bunch of assessment methodology docs that are written up to use the “negative score means issues” that have to be edited and my brain rewired to say things differently when it is now “if your score is less than 32, you have issues” (total rating scores would range from -32 to +32 with anything below zero being in diff shades of red, above in different shades of green). Trying to give folks an in-typeform summary page with that range is nigh impossible it seems if variables cannot go below zero - i also provide option to receive pdf version mailed to them, that is auto-generated by using google sheets integration and document studio add-in where i COULD show the traditional -32 to +32 ranges but that would not correspond to the in-form version they say and i want to avoid confusion. not a big deal but it means that the graphing is not as ‘cool’ 

sorry @ecastanedapl to have hijacked your cloning question for a longer soapbox session, but as a user, I would really say that unless you have complicated logic in your q-group that is faster to update field values (ie change question numbers), i recommend cloning the q groups first then adding the logic. 

*note to self: have your nightcap double espresso AFTER you finish checking the forum*

Hi @john.desborough Glad I’m not the only one that drinks coffee at night!

And soapbox session away here! The community is a great place to share this information - this is extremely helpful. I agree that not having capability for negative numbers is rather challenging, especially in a case like yours where you need that range of values. 

Out of curiosity so I can share with our product team (and to enlighten my own knowledge), do negative scores relate to essentially negative feelings one may have about a certain topic they’re filling the form out on? If you don’t mind providing some context, that would be great! It’s been a feature request for a while, so having some background into negative scoring may help push this along. What you’ve already provided here is fantastic. 

Thank you both!! :) 

I understand,

But i have a lot of logical jumps, around 15 per group and 10 groups.

Recently i take a new team in the company and they was using typeforms to take request of orders. They take the orders by the email respondes.

More control was needed and I used typeform webhooks with power automate (Microsoft flows) to link submitted typeforms with my controls grids in Microsoft Lists and Microsoft Planner.

But now I have 1 form with this issue and is my top of services requests.

If the clone process can keep the logic jumps after clone i can fix my problem.

Thanks for your help!

@ecastanedapl Sounds like you’ve got some powerful automations running there! I’ve noted this to share with our product team in the feature request. 

@Liz  - in the case of my form, it was to try and recreate this sort of view graphically from the data responses, ie you can improve on the components of data accuracy to go to green (get above 0) .. can be done with all positive numbers but sometimes you want to be able to go below 0 (think of anything that would deal with temperatures: if it is 5C outside with a 20 kmh wind, you are looking at an adjustment of 6/8 degrees, down to -1/-2 C)

Thank you!

@Liz I appreciate your help.

Do you know if exist other way to do subforms or other similar solution to my problem ¿?

Thanks @john.desborough ! I appreciate this. 

@ecastanedapl at the moment, duplicating the question group will also duplicate the logic jump, so while I don’t have a different workaround for this, I’ll share this feedback with our product team. 

Hi @Liz 

Do you have any updates about this?

Hi @ecastanedapl thanks for circling back! I’ve shared this feedback with the product team for you. :) It’s not currently on the roadmap to change, but please keep sending any feedback you have over to give them that extra push. 

Hiya, just following up on this as I have exactly the same request as ecastanedapl.  Know it’s a year later but hopefully that means this functionality has been updated by now so the logic jumps don’t keep going back to the previous question group?

Hi @dcooke I’m afraid we have no changes for this yet, but as always, we’ll post any updates here. 

Hi ​@Liz I am facing this same problem and have seen no change yet. Is this something the Typform team is working on? Curious to know!

Hi ​@MarkH I’m afraid not, but as always, I’ll share any updates if I have them here!